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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2781209

Gary Sheffield basically told reporters that he would not cooperate in the steroid probes going on in the MLB right now.  I gotta aggree with the guy.  Yea there are some players that are dirty, and its understandable that the league wants to clean things up.  But the players that are clean and are doing things the right way are just the victims of the league going crazy and are getting an unfair bad rep.  The players shouldnt go out of their way to cooperate with the league in something like this.  If anything the league owes the players, without them there is no MLB.

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I wouldn't cooperate if I were a player.

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There is no way a player can win in the current steriod age.

There are two possible stances.

1) The player takes the steriod test.

The result could be negative or positive, either way he will be seen as giving into "The Man (not me)."

2) The player refuses to take the test

The player sticks up for what he feels is write, but everyone labels him a user for refusing to take the test (the whole, "if you're innocent there is no reason not to take the test" argument).


But even worse than the players is the Fans. We are either getting bombarded by the media about how terrible the steriods are/were or we are going know who all is taking steriods and thus lose faith in the players we are fans of.



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and the players are in the spot they are because of the fans. if fans would have just supported toughening the steroid policy then believe everyone is clean till proven dirty it would have been fine. the problem is, fans assume anyone who has gotten "bigger" or put up way better numbers from one year to the next has to be on steroids. it basically tells the players if you get to good, you will be accused of steroids.

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The MAN wrote:

There is no way a player can win in the current steriod age.

There are two possible stances.

1) The player takes the steriod test.

The result could be negative or positive, either way he will be seen as giving into "The Man (not me)."

2) The player refuses to take the test

The player sticks up for what he feels is write, but everyone labels him a user for refusing to take the test (the whole, "if you're innocent there is no reason not to take the test" argument).


But even worse than the players is the Fans. We are either getting bombarded by the media about how terrible the steriods are/were or we are going know who all is taking steriods and thus lose faith in the players we are fans of.



It's kind of ironic to me.  Steriods quite possibly could be the reason that baseball regained its popularity after the strike (Sosa and McGuire home run race).  Granted, neither has been proven.  Ignorance is bliss I suppose, because everything was great back in 1998.



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By the way, Gary Matthews Jr. is definitely on roids. It's all so clear to me now. He absolutely sucked w/ the Cubs, so they got rid of him. I was amazed that he all of the sudden learned how to hit last year and actually earned a starting spot. This news explains so much!

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In no way would I want to find out that any of my favorite players are or were cheating. But I would also like to know that the guy that comes out of no where to crank 30 homers isn't on the juice as well. I think baseball needs to move on, what's done is done and there is nothing they can do. The people that cry out "asterik" for Bonds are just crazy. I think we should forget about what may or may not have happened in the past, continue to institute and develop tough steroids and HGH tests for the present, and move on.

Even if Bonds is on the juice, can you honestly say that that was the sole contributor to his success? No, granted he would have cheated, and you can't reward that, but come on the guy was the best hitter in the game for almost 10 years, roids don't give you that. That being said, Bonds annoys the hell out of me and I hope his knees explode before he catches Hammerin' Hank.

I think the steroids era can be best summed up by Mark McGuire on his Simpson's appearance, "You guys want the truth... or do you want to see me hit some dingers?"

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I think the steroids era can be best summed up by Mark McGuire on his Simpson's appearance, "You guys want the truth... or do you want to see me hit some dingers?"
Yeah, that's about right.

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This latest accusation against Gary Matthews Jr. is a perfect example of why players are just screwed when it comes to steroids. His name was leaked by a "source" that he bought performance enhancing drugs. This source is unnamed and uncollaborated yet as soon as the media caught wind of it a frenzy was created and Matthews Jr. is looked at as a cheater. Is this fair to him? absolutely not. He's probly got some type of attorney or assitant or something that is saying dont get caught up in having to defend yourself beckuse if you talk about it once it will never end and your words will get misconstrued, so the best thing to do is just say no comment. And of course that makes him guilty if he doesn't deny it. He shouldnt have to constantly deny using drugs when the evidence is suspect.

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To be fair, a lot of breaking news type stories don't list sources if it compromises the sources job/life/family/etc. Journalists have gone to jail protecting sources.

That being said, it think this is all such a waste of time and I'm really sick of hearing about it

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Thats exactly it, is we don't know where the information is coming from. For all we know, someone within the investigation could throw the name of a baseball player or Evander Hollyfield out there just to get some publicity. If it was a bunch of no name high school guys or just some bodybuilders or whatever that were the people using the roids from this online pharmacy no one would care. Throwing MLB names out there gives publicity, which will probly get other people like the MLB throwing money into investigations.

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The latest buzz is that John Rocker was on HGH. I really hope he was to be honest. I mean, as a baseball player I really loved Rocker, but he was just an idiot and a goon off the field. If he was on HGH you could say all those comments he made off the field happened during some type of a rage. Or is there no such thing as a HGH rage? I dont even know.

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Another name listed on the Holifield/Matthews/Rocker investigation list is Jerry Hairston Jr.

He might not be a major name, but he has played in the majors for a while now. Yet, I haven't heard anyone bring up his name. An interesting note (to me at least) is that Hairston Jr. came up through the Orioles organization. In case you forgot, was home to David Segui (an admitted HGH user)... not to mention that Palmiero character. Does this make the Orioles a worse organization than the others? No, but it does show that they are worse at covering it up.

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I think that it is a "witch hunt." You either have to punish everyone or publish no one. Barry Bonds gets killed by the media every day, yet somehow someone like Ivan Rodriguez or Luis Gonzalez gets off scot free.

Baseball needs to come to grips with the fact that this wasn't a few guys hitting home runs, but hundreds and possibly thousands of players. Making a half-hearted effort to find out what happened a few years ago is a waste of time, when HGH is still apparently an endemic problem in the game. The focus should be on eradication.

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Ivan Rodriguez is an interesting name. Wasn't he accused of roids a couple years ago. Was it somehow proved that wasn't true or did the media just decide they like Pudge and wouldnt talk about it and they don't like Bonds and will be relentless? I'm not sure if it was last year or the year before but there was a story that Todd Helton took performance enhancing stuff and it turned out to be creatine. He got so mad and made such a deal about it that the reporter ended up like making some statement that it wasn't illegal or something like that. The point is, It seems like the media can make a story whenever it wants and the players can be the victims.

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I am from Detroit, so I can shed a bit of light on the pudge situation. He was mentioned by name in Jose Canseco's book, and was obviously on those Texas teams with Jose and Palmerio. The spring after the steroid hearings he showed up to camp 20lbs lighter than the previous season. There were some rumblings and jokes from the local analysts about him "hitting the treadmill" in the offseason, but then it sort of fizzled out. Then last season Detroit started winning and all was forgotten.

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And that's just it, it is a selective memory and selective writing by the media and fans that just screw some people and let other people go.

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Also, TyDuffy, is it just kinda a feeling that yea he might have been on the juice but since the success last year it's a forgive and forget? Without big time evidence, which I presume is not there with pudge, I applaude the Detroit media for forgeting about it and leaving him alone, whatever the reasons be.

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